Thank you....I posted that link in the last thread. No one wants to acknowledge it because then that would be admitting it is a issue needing attention.

The theme for the winter expansion had better be intel, because Jesus Christ we need it.

The Eve Online Community.

Sorry, I assumed you were smart enough to figure that out based on context. I'll speak slower and use more simple words next time.

I never spoke for you, or anybody else. I didn't say we wanted an intel expansion, I said we needed one.

At the risk (lol) of insulting you, I believe you lack the judgement to accurately gauge what you or anybody else needs.

You don't want cloaking or local changes. A lot of people probably don't want these changes. A lot of people don't want any changes. This does not mean those changes would not be beneficial.

It's not even a question of if; Intel is getting an overhaul. The only question is when. And frankly, I can't think of many better candidates. Though I'm open to suggestions.

Speaking for ones self and speaking as to the needs of others are not mutually exclusive. You're not giving me much to retort here.

If you doubt the intentions of CCP, go dig through some of the fanfest panels. There's nothing too explicit but it's clear they have have some ambitions to make changes to intel and/or cloaking in the future.

Don't be so scared of a little change.

"To speak for somebody" means to represent them. It means to stand in their place and speak as if your thoughts and desires were their own. At no point in this trivial exchange have I done this. I have spoken only for myself. I have expressed my opinion on what the needs of the community and the game are. At no point have I expressed the desires of the community; Although I have aired my suspicions on what those desires are.

This isn't a trivial matter of semantics; You're accusing me of something that I have not done.

So. Doc. Where do you stand on this whole thing?

Now see, to an extent I agree with this. Most suggestions to change AFK cloaking have the air of "I'm scared" about them. Those suggestions are typically ****.

I do, however, take issues.

My issues with cloaking are that A) It protects you from harm, but B) Doesn't protect you from detection. Everybody in the system knows you're there, but nobody can touch you until you decide to make yourself vulnerable.

I mean, okay, yes, you can probably engineer scenarios wherein a team of buzzards sit quietly with probes out waiting for the cloaker to try logging out and catching him in the logoff timer and set up bubbles on the exit gates, but that only realy works in nullsec and/or with a decent show of force, and even that can be circumvented if you're prepared to wait until downtime before logging off.

But I also realize you can't just remove their defensive capabilities because they'd crumble to dust and become pretty much useless, which brings me to my second complaint: Cloaks don't actually provide stealth. You don't really hide; Everybody knows you're there, they just can't get you. This doesn't afford particularly useful or interesting gameplay. I, personally, believe that the merit of stealth should be that nobody knows you're there. But by the same token, I believe that cloaks being both undetectable and unbreakable would be a little on the OP side.

I assume you disagree with what I'm saying, but I am curious as to why. What do you think I'm missing, or not taking into account? I mean, obviously the current system sort of works, but I think we (yes, you and me) can agree that just because a system is functional, that doesn't mean it can't be improved on.

Okay, humor me. I'm cloaked in a safespot that doesn't cross any warp paths. I have a cyno mounted, ready to deploy at any time. I have been paid a sum of isk to do this for an indeterminate amount of time. I don't log off except at downtime. When I log back in as soon as downtime is over, I immediately cloak up and set up a new safe spot.

What are your options?

It doesn't strike you as even a little absurd that the most viable counter to an AFK cloaker hotdrop is another AFK cloaker hotdrop?